I think that we have learnt a to learn from each other and and also accept from each other and and never mind the program. I think it's very cool to...meet other people. I mean, everything.. everyone has his own rhythm. And then.. I don't have to overthink this thing and what happened, like, spontaneously. You can kind of catch up the rhythm of each person without necessarily planning.

And and, yeah, I just can start my day without thinking what am I gonna do next.

I learned that there's a lot of things you can experience with the body you have and the bones you have. We did that through exercises and games, but it was really useful for me to build my physical presence in that way.

I believe that in all the things we did, there was always some kind of hospitality. In a sense, when, for example, you went to the swimming pools in the hotels which are the most famous place for hospitality and they offered drinks and everything. But, you are fortunate in a different way. So you went through it, in an almost illegal way, but still gaining some kind of hospitality.

And then we have seen that everything that seems terribly wrong at first can lead us to a place where we can feel really welcome and in the same time, you know, maybe it's not. Someone says, you can feel at home with a stranger, but still, we did feel at home, I think. And, same thing with this tunnel in the end. It could, at first glance, seem like a terrible place to stay, something that is not for a human to chill and to play and to have fun. Yet, we tryed to work together and make it in a better way.

I mean, I don't know. I think I learned that you can be surprised if you trust what you're gonna do. I mean, I trusted this process in a way. 

I learned that I can be surprised even though what happens is almost, like, anticipated in a way. 

That one thing which should surprise me, was that maybe we had some exercises planned or something else. And it's so weird how the exercise happens spontaneously without even reading what we have to do,it happened anyway. And the places that maybe we have collected during the years or the things that we have done during the years, they somehow went out with this workshop again. 

The knowledge leads you anyway. And you don't think about it, but then you have it already in you, it comes naturally. We prepared a big list of exercises. We were planning to do them. But, but in the end, all workshop has felt like a huge improvisation exercise. And inside of it, there are also, natural, emerging, theater exercises.

I mean, theater exercise is just a way to simplify and replicate some things that happen naturally.  Connection between us, making a group, speaking invented languages. it's all based human behaviors. So it's just that, way more simplified. And I guess, improvising and try to create something for nothing at the end, it brings us to the nucleus of the human being.

So what what is inside of us? Our primordial behaviors are used in theater. So that's why we end up doing theater without doing it, without trying to impose some schemes and some exercises, which is pretty cool. And, what's the music? What's the props? What's, you know, all the layers of theater? They're all there. I mean, it's still there. It's not a 100% control.

Yeah. I mean, you just need the person. That's their essential. Yeah.

And one thing that is common with this workshop and the improv exercise is that when you go in, you basically are open to everything. So there's a famous exercise in which you have a person, another person that does something. And you say "and yes". Yes. And and you continue the other person's activity or thoughts or anything.

So you, in a way, you are open and welcome to everything that is coming to you, and you give a feedback. You are a touching chain reaction, basically. And what we did here, it was welcoming everything that was here in Benidorm. 

This tunnel. Yes. And we can make it a place for this workshop. We met Paco, and we enjoyed him and said, "yes. Let's do something together".

And so we were, like, extremely open, extremely welcoming to everything that was coming.

I feel super proud of you in the sense that... it's not super easy..But on the first day, everyone believed, for example, that we were customers of the hotel.

So usually this kind of things of have a long process into engaging people and making people comfortable. I was super surprised how everyone entered into the hotel and acted as if we were already super professional actors.

How much you have to train in order to to become something and how much you think that you have to invest time and and knowledge and study into something, and then it happens.. you have it already. And that makes you think that you can do everything if you want. You don't need to be super professional to do something, and it's fine anyway.

So I'm really super proud, honestly. And I am in a state now where I cannot really think, which is great. Because I've been spending a lot of years rambling and rambling around these things. And there was always something that I couldn't grasp. Still, there's something that I cannot grasp of, why this thing happened anyway.

We read thousands of book about that, and then in one day, they happen eventually. Like, for example, building this tunnel. No? We could have read about how to spot the place and make it a home and then where to find the right tools and things and that. And then in one day, this happens.

It's such a fast thing. But also, there is one thing I wanna maybe study. Study. No.

Reflect upon a little bit more which is boredom. Mhmm. So the moments of break. Because, of course, I felt on me the responsibility of activating all this. Like, not.. how to say it? Not to drop the ball. In the sense.. if I leave too much space, then everyone gets disconnected. But at the same time, we also needed this moment. And I thought it was just me. But every tutor kind of felt this pressure, apparently, of having to entertain the participants all the time.

It's weird what happened actually because you have this feeling that, oh, if we don't do anything, then everyone will will go away. And this luckily didn't happen. I don't know why. I'm so happy though.

And people came. What's that? People came. Yeah. Exactly.

So that's something I wanted to to hear from you. Maybe if it was too slow. the moment of slowness slowness, What kind of frustration they gave? Or or maybe they were they were helpful?

I think having the group is the main thing of the workshop.

That's why we were careful and trying to be sensitive to how the group is feeling, like, and how to look and somehow do something. But you need to have a group. So that's the thing. So I think the most thinking was about the group and figure out how to, yeah, manage this, you know, boredom and activity. And if you don't want to disconnect, you don't want people to be tired at the same time.

And you want people to be together and form a group and then be open to do things together. And partially I think what really helps also in, in this, you know, having a group and doing stuff is that maybe if you go to Benidorm alone, it's a bit weird. But if you go in a group, it's fine. 

And by terms of expectations, yeah, for me, it was the fact that somehow we're together now, we're not in time, then we end up here, and then we have to end up there, and then we do all these things. Yeah. It's amazing that that's the surprise, I think.

Going to the pool, talking to strangers. Doing the whole thing in the restaurant. 

We are productive. Every situation we got into this workshop could be, like, a life experience in a way.

Yeah. I mean, I guess, I don't know if it's something that we thought as a core almost of being with each other of your group is that when you open to each other and also when people open to you and you do things together, then inevitably are learning something. And then also learning means literally you open up to a side of you. And it can be something really distant, really weird, really unknown, I don't know, or obscure. You don't care about it.

But somehow you just open up to it. Like, what do I need to shoot a gun? What exactly?

What do I need this stuff for? You know? And then somehow you just open to it.  Like, you open and then you're not gonna be like "I don't care about shoes". "I'm not gonna even look into them." You know? But it's like, "ah, shoes". Yeah. "Tell me about the shoes". "How do you make the shoes?" It's being curious about. 

To me, it's a very important part of the workshop. So it's very interesting that that you came out with this. Because EASA itself is a very strange way of learning. 

You have it here already. A lot of things which come to you. And this after a while makes you think..what are the important things that I need to know in life? And you tend to discard or give less importance to the small things that you've learned. So for example, what do I carry in the toilet if the toilet is far?

Very small things. But then you bring it with you in life and they accumulate and, you always think that they are less important. So a few years ago, being a participant, I started thinking that if you have time, then you have more opportunity to understand what are the things which you already have inside. But it takes really a long time to discover them. So I decided to think: is it the final outcome, the thing that I really want, or is how to skrew how to use the skrewdriver that it's really important for me and not the image of what I have done in the end?

So "sweating" is basically a way of absorbing this knowledge and then sweating it back in a way that it's like super mixed up and we don't know what the fuck is that ends up in the jar. So it's really about that. So it's really nice that you come up with this. And I just suggest everyone then when you go home, to a bit recollect these moments and just see what were the the ones that you kind of enjoyed more or you wanna reuse.

Or maybe if you wanna, then write it on the group. Just continue sharing these things. 

I can give an answer to your previous question too. Ah, yeah. So for me, that slow times were, right off point and, always at the right time, I think. Because, yeah, we are getting tired, but also instead of being tired for me that moment were time to reflect yourself and try to observe what you did in the morning or in previous times.

Like I remember there was a moment that we sat here and we laid down. And I started to understand what we did, how I felt about myself. Like, I'm far away, thousands of kilometers away from home, you just can't think about what you did in the end. So I think we needed some stops to think and understand a bit, what happened and how it makes me feel, what I learned from this. So I think they're important and I'm happy to have you find time to stop and try to understand.

I was reading a text about boredom and and burnout. And the fact that you have to always have to constantly be stimulated in your mind in doing something. This text was saying that not having an outcome, for example, puts you in the condition of having to be stimulated all the time.

It was the opposite of what I was thinking. So I just was wondering if it is the fact that it never ends, that leads you to having to be constantly active or it's not true. I don't know. There are many things that I have to process still. But  maybe that text was a sort of criticism to these processes.

Because in our life now, nothing ends, and it's a constant goal. So maybe that's what leads us to have the need to be entertained all the time.  So also, if you have certain reflections or criticism that you wanna point out, just feel free because we don't have anything to teach. It's like an ongoing reflection, I think. 

I was wishing to immediately contradict in in that point as you were talking. But then I started realizing that whatever, conflicting points, I would make it be correct. Why? Because I was thinking about the goal. We will all be doing it together. We will be feeling the same things together. And that's what reinforces the group. In my head, as you were talking, I was like, no. I suffered so much. I suffered more from finishing than from those days of my 20 hours a day on my computer.

I was having an eye on the other workshops because in my head what they were doing, in a way had more work than what we were doing because, you know, there were creations being made. It was precisely connected to this fact, that they have a goal and that they did it in an organized way. And so I guess that it really reflects how we perceive work. You know, something that has work. But actually, it is terrible.

Absolutely terrible. There is a french word that means "when you're done with everything". You're not interested. You're not blended. You don't laugh at as much stuff as when you were younger. You don't move your body as much. 

But, yeah, those are some some of the things that I learned. And I guess this theoretical part of everyone explaining, which, made me understand, basically, why I was frustrated and why in here I'm pretty happy.

Well, I have a lot of thoughts, but I guess still, processing. So I will just explain you one thing. I will just say one thing, which is related to being entertained and everything. I think in a place like this, in a workshop as we did it, the line between being entertaining, between doing something and boredom is very blurred, but just because, we never know when something ends. Taking back the improvisation analogy, it feels like there's something always going on. Someone, taking out ideas, so there sometimes must be a lead that clearly, either external or internal that, says when something needs to turn sharp or end or begin. And it's really difficult to create this kind of dynamic. And I guess, I mean, since it came out, I guess, at some point, is this boredom, is this, something else? We are actually learning something or we actually we're not.

Because in a sense we needed to feel that we're learning something, to feel that we are seeing something, but also being inside the game. So being inside the game means that we're not thinking too much. We're just doing.

And this is very confusing. And, this confusion, I guess, is what sometimes doesn't let you understand the things clearly, to the fullest. And, in my experience, I really enjoy when I started and finished something. So there's that moment of not doing anything.

If you take there's an exact time slot where I don't do anything. And that for me is boredom, but it's enjoyable boredom where I basically contemplate what I do. And in a sort of way, it's the the time where I think about what I've done here. And when there is not this distinct distinction between the time of boredom and the time of activity, it feels a very tired, tired song, for some reason. Because I'm constantly doing something, but also not doing anything.

And it never ends because they blend so well. These two moments that my mind doesn't know where to rest and when to do something. So, I'm talking in general, not in this respect, that it is important because it puts everything into place. All those moments that were blended, you know, those moments of boredom, those moments of learning stuff and everything. Where we were living in, they were all mixed up.

Like you said, it was all sweat, all color mixed up, and you don't know what it is. And, in some ways, in these moments where everyone is putting something in the middle, in some ways, I've read some clarity in that sweat mixture that we did. And, and I think it makes it more enjoyable, this thing. And then, yes. 

I feel free. I have my bad free will of what was going to happen next. I have no expectations anymore, in thinking about what's going to come next. So that's what I would like to use when I also go back home and to embrace also the moment of this lower moment, more in the moment.

I was thinking about the blending, what you're saying, the blending between, you know, productive time and alternative time. Nowadays You need to have an entertainment while you work.

So you work better, you produce, and you will have more value than expected out of what you do. Instead of just saying, "okay. This is the work", very serious with a tie and serious attitude and everything, and then you stop. And then when you stop, you go out and you wear your colorful clothes, and you go, yay. You know?

So it's like at work, now you do, yay. And then you produce and then, yay. You know? So it never stops. So anyway, it's something that he talks about a lot in the book.

So the collective work, but also, Instagram, social media is a fantastic example. You can extract value and money and and data and things out of unproductive time. Right?

So we are just like, oh, we think we are relaxing, but actually they're making a lot of money with that information, of our unproductive time. So you can commodify things that were not commodified, before, and you give them more time value. You can transform them into something that makes money. I work in architectural company, so it works: You have a project. The project has a timeline, has a phase as a platform. Our construction production is where it is.

And, I need to even structure when you change the project. You're done. You can quantify all the phases all the time that you put in each one of the phases and each one of the tasks that are available in the phases. You split them among people. And then all the micro outcomes combined into platforms and then eventually you have the final outcome for the project.

So your project is done. You have achieved the outcome. You're very happy. You can go next to the next project. And I think that this topic is a work topic, but it's maybe even specifically to project based professional, like architecture and design,than, like, Amazon.

Because you're working towards always. It's almost because the work is broken down in progress. It's not broken down in our progress. I don't know.

Yeah, no, that's a bit what I was saying when I was talking about the fact that you have the impression always that you have to, yeah, master or become, like, superhero into something and then these things are 20,000,000 things, you know. And then you don't give attention to what you actually already know or that you are actually already getting from things that are  the small little things that you were saying a little bit before.

And maybe, you discard them because you think, "oh, I should be actually learning this program". Instead, I am, like, here knitting or I'm here watching a series on Netflix, you know, or I'm here doing another stuff or cooking. But these things are actually still things. So It's more the balance of these things, what's actually worth it in general.

Or if you're walking, for example, and you go in the city and you think that you are kind of zoning out or escaping or just not doing what you should be doing, but then you are actually walking. So it's a thing!

We were talking about this fact that there's almost like 2 things. Right? you have your work. You have to figure out your work and what you do.

I mean it's a program like this, but let's say, you have the work part and then you have, your life. And what matters in a different way? Like, when working might not be valued that you discover your, you know, inner child and you are curious and you could become part of group. You care for each other. You, then you learn from each other things, all these kind of things.

But maybe they feed into your life. Just what is your life? Probably not just work, or what work is now, let's say.That is not at all about, you know, the human side of a person, but it's all about what you can directly make. Due to get to the outcome that someone said for you or your customer said for you or whatever.

And so you can go beyond that. And then if you go beyond that, it can maybe even, become good. A good time point to think about, you know, sort of be in the bubble of the project, for instance, and think more widely about, you know, since we design spaces and objects and these kind of things, to think more widely about what people do in their life, which I think is also a good thing. I think that Paco exists, you know, he lives in the caravan and, he probably doesn't need a designer chair. I should tell my boss that.

And there's many, many different ways of living. And the city is not as easy as one might think. It's a really complex thing that they start to understand actually. If you actually go in it, you're " what is happening in this place?"

And then the culture, you know, it's given up to us by society, and then we also decide what to how to, you know, build our idea of worth, what is worth doing or what is worth experiencing, etcetera, etcetera. And, I mean, my personal opinion is that we should not take, you know, the idea of worth from society, but we should try to build our own idea what's worth, living or what's worth, doing. So in a way in a way, if, I think it's way easier even for myself as well. I can look at the workshops that are building, and I think " actually, it's much better". We can all put it in our portfolio. We can, like, say, "oh, look, we built this". We made a design, and, we completed something. Our portfolio, you know, so you're like everybody is. Right?

But then, just because it's easier to give it worth because society gives it to us. It's just a question mark. Okay. Is it actually worth worth? Like, does it actually make real sense?

I don't know. Yeah. It's it's kind of a larger question, of what you can do. I guess it goes to to the question of, what kind of workshops you do in EASA and why. The choice.

Oh, something related but not related because you mentioned the city thing. You said it's a complex thing. No? The way that we experienced it in the 1st days, I felt like, "oh, it's always the same experience here that you can have. So basically, what you do is you have the pool, you can go to the seaside, you have the pool, and you can go dancing."

And then you enter into this kind of beehive where you do the same actions all the time as a tourist. But then you discover these little stories or these people, and  you see that there's way more in the back. So maybe you have a sort of advertisement facade, but then you discover for example, the story of Paco and why he decided to live this way, which I don't know if anyone knows it, but it's very moving. He was married and then he's lost his wife, and he was lost.

He was saying to his wife that it was fine, that they had the money to pay everything and the house. But then he didn't actually have the money. So when the wife has died for cancer, he decided to like, she asked him to bring his ashes to the place where she was born. And then he did  two months of the Santiago path, he brought the ashes and he went back and he didn't have a flat anymore. So that's why his friends hosted him in that field.

And he told me that he has so much energy because he's trying to fill up the gaps that the fact of having a routine with his wife has left. Because the moment that he didn't have that routine anymore, he was free to choose but it was also very scary for him because it was 40 or, like, 30 years that he wasn't making choices for himself. And now he's super restless and he wants to do a lot of stuff because it's his first time that he actually does what he wants, but it's also very difficult and scary. So this happens in the background of all this kind of leisure time, and maybe it affects it or of course, we should have been more here to understand the dynamics of this, but at first, it really seems that this city is very simple. Like, I can understand it very easily. It has three parts and places where local goes, but there's always more to to explore in this sense.

So sometimes I feel like the same way as other workshops came into the tunnel and said, "oh, it's a tunnel and there are people inside". You know, like, you have a very flat glimpse of of what happens there and you think that you have all the solutions for it and maybe you go there and, in a project based approach, you're like,"the problem is that: it's too flat and and the water doesn't run good." But, this is a very surface based approach, and how deep you you wanna go into your analysis is up to you. 

I was burned out when I first arrived here. So I had no energy to do any construction stuff or things like that. And when you told about your idea that we will do a walk, we will meet people, do meetings, it reminded me of the activities that I did in Rome during my Erasmus. It was also something like that, we were going in the territories around Rome, not the center but where the where people live and, actually where no one lives. So I was a Erasmus student coming from another country and if I wasn't to do these walks, probably I would never discover that apart from, and meet with still different people there. Because what we were basically just, gathering groups like, 2, 3 people, knocking people's doors and asking them for hospitality. And try to understand how they live there. Something that probably I wouldn't have done it by myself if I wouldn't have had the experience there. The mindset changed a lot after that. Like in Turkey there's a vision that, yeah, in Europe everything is perfect. I discovered that it is not like that, that it is important to discover the real life of people.

And when you were in Rome, did you meet anything unexpected? Yeah. There's a lot. So you know, in Turkey, in the east part, a lot of Kurdish people live there. And sometimes there are some difficulties or discussions between Turkish people and Kurdish people. And in Rome I met a community of Kurdish people who live in Rome and actually they were immigrants. I never had that many conversations with the Kurdish people in Turkey. So for me it was so interesting to have it in Rome and, actually hearing what kind of difficulties they are having in Turkey and learning about that.

In Turkey, you don't have sort of any occasion to meet the Kurdish people? 

We have. But, we just don't get into that deep conversation. It's just a normal life, going on and I don't know. I never asked, do you have any difficulties? It's just normal life going.

With this last talks, I was thinking that one thing with we really take out from this workshop is that it's something that we all know that if we don't follow the the prepared path, the path that is already there, and we go out from that path We discover unexpected stuff and surprises. And this, the same applies to Benidorm. There is the same path that Diana was talking about of tourism. They go to the beach, they go to the swimming pool, they go to the restaurants, spending money, and that is the common path that they prepare for the people. And, we all know that, behind that, there is something else. And, I think the things we did show us that, indeed, there is something. And, that we see it with our own eyes and that is really beautiful. But also that it takes a lot of braveness. That's why I think doing it in group is way more easier than going alone because to go out from the white path is really scary. It's extremely scary. So you need to be very, very, very brave to get out from that path. 

The thing is that, once you get out from the path, you have these beautiful stories, this new surprising and entertaining stories that they always teach you something, something that you didn't know because you can do that path of tourism, of going to the beach, going to the restaurants a 1000000 times, but, you will still learn, you will still see the same stuff. You will still experience the same stuff. And, yeah, I think it's, this is important thing, to get new stories to see the real not the real but you know other stories, other path. You need to be brave and it's really nice to do it all together. You need to be open.

If you wanna add something which is also stupid because it feels like we are doing the celebration of the thing but, like, the first thing that you have in mind because I think it also super much counts. The things that we have in the head, randomly, they also count. So just, yeah, this is our thought, but if you have random stuff to to add the put it into the pot.

This workshop was just as I was expecting it to be. I was already used to getting out of my comfort zone, but this moved it forward. Now I realize I went through a lot of fases of comfort zones.  All the zones are actually comfort in the end. I am really happy to have found it out.

Was there something that you wish you had done in this workshop? No, I was more curious on experiencing all the things that were already unfolding, happening. Maybe I want a tattoo.

I wanted to say that I have had many beautiful nights here. We talk about morning. This is my favorite one and the most emotional one. Also, thank you for the maximum tolerance for my speaking, which is not the best. I can understand every word, but unfortunately, I cannot experience it. I have felt very very very accepted.

Oh, that's good. Because I was afraid that if someone misses some activities, then it feels that is difficult to catch up. And this doesn't need to happen because otherwise it feels you're you're losing people behind. But, every person then adds a lot, even by being here. So thank you again.

The the first time that we had to choose our workshops, I was very intrigued by sweat. But I had 2 different opinions about it. First one, that I had to do something with architecture. I had to use my time in here, like, very efficiently. I felt if I don't do anything about architecture, then I will be missing out something. But, like, other part of me said, it's okay to it's okay to be a bit more relaxed, and it's okay to be a bit more yourself and just try to have fun and try to have this strange workshop. It was my first opinion about it. And then I choose. And then at first day, when we didn't meet yet, I've been thinking about it, and I felt regret already because I didn't choose anything with architecture. I felt like I would have lost my time in here. I'm not gonna use my time so efficiently and stuff. Blah blah. And then, I thiought that if I chose it, then it would be right for me. Because some part of me wanted it. So that's like, there should be a reason behind it that I don't know yet. And now I'm very glad that I chose this workshop, and I spent my time with you guys because sometimes in this workshop, in this 2 weeks, I think I or we Find something that we didn't know about. Like, this is a lifestyle or, the way of thinking. I didn't know. And it's not just relax. It is just I don't know how to call it. It's just being not in the way of the common way, but going other ways without havingany regret, without anything to think behind your head. And I'm really glad that I met you all, and we had fun and did it all.

I have a question for you. Okay.

When you were giving workshops to kids before coming here, was it difficult to switch from this thing of being super vulnerable? So, like, explaining fears and stuff, and then suddenly, having to guide people. Like, I have to guide the kids and be the one who who is under control of everything. No? Yeah.

It was, at first, kinda hard because you kinda actually become like a leader. They  heard you as you're the one that knows everything and stuff. But one thing that I learned is that you can always, like, always be vulnerable with the kids. Like we talked a lot every time, we tell each other how we feel. And I knew where I wanted to come from because some of them also didn't. So I had a lot of support for them. So they were like, okay. She needs some time. 

Yeah. Just wake up. Sorry. 

So for me, it's, the art in general, that workshop was a very intensive experience. Also, because before coming here I was spending most of my time at home studying and with my project. And then, when I arrived there, I was, like, I have to prove to myself and to the other and to be social with people, I have to talk. And, I mean, I believe it was quite difficult because it was "I want to do so". A challenge. 

But, no, I love to do that. I love to meet people.

I mean, I always act like I have the thing on their control when I meet the people. When I'm alone, I like to express myself doing my obvious a lot of stuff. When I'm with people, I like to have the control. And, for example, the thing that I fell asleep here with all of you, for me, it's, I don't know. It was impossible before this workshop.

Because I need to to have the things under control. And now, I feel like, with you,  I found a way to express my freedom in that way?

Yeah. Yeah. But I just wake up still. 

I too had this thing once that in an activity they asked us to write our fear. And I remember I wrote at some point, that that my social fear is being stupid.

The fact that other people maybe in context that are academic or there's always someone who knows more than me, you know, and I have to pretend as I have everything under control and, like, fake it. And then, I saw that this is sort of a common thing. So it might be that everyone feels it. And everyone kind of puts the pressure on the others, of knowing a lot. So it always have been my fear, social wise.

And I probably had the same at the beginning, so it was very difficult for me. Doing the workshop fair and everything to pretend that I knew everything about what we were going to do and convince other people. Then, of course, I relied on things that I already knew. Yep. So I don't know.

But many things were unexpected for me. Yeah. And also I have, like, this fear of time that I hate when people wait for me. I'm learning how to balance time, but I'm still training myself. So when I have other people relying on me, it's very drainig. It occupies, like, a huge part of my brain, this thing of being on time. Yeah.

So I'm actually glad that we are all here. Yeah. We made it a little bit. Yeah. Besides having here, like, personally losing, yeah.

The thing that I like about the EASA community is that when you go home, then and you feel alone again, and you are alone with this thing to tackle, you know that there's someone else who kind of experience the same, so you're not really, really alone in this world trying to fit with others or with others' convictions.

You can build up your own world, and you know that it's real. Somewhere, it is real. So somewhere, there's a possibility to do it. You know? And, it's not just like a feeling, or a will or or, how we did it, did we say before?

Yeah. It's real. Mhmm. Anyone? Maybe one last thing because I think we have almost lunchtime.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's 2. No. Maybe we didn't do this.

No. I think it's maybe Lunch was served, but, like, 20 no. 15 minutes ago. Okay. Okay.

So there's a line probably right now. Great. We can go soon. What was that? Yeah.

I mean, yeah. Just glad to say just more thing that you made me think about, yeah, acceptance and being different. I think I think that is a good space where, you meet so much diversity. Like, so many people are comfortable with the place, but also there are many different characters and many different ways of experiencing the same thing as you. There's people in EASA that wake up early. You know? They don't do parties. They wake up at 7 AM. You know?

They do go for a run, whatever. Like, these people, like and you don't meet them. You you live in another structure. For example, you know, the Finnish team this year, They're like reading the whole day.

Like, we're like going crazy stuff. They're reading the whole day. They party also. But I don't know. There's people that have peculiar ways of experiencing the social life and they figure how to live together in the same space.

I don't know. People that need time on their own or people that don't need time on their own and they're in the same space all the time and they're talking 24/7, to each other. I don't know. Anyway, yes, I feel like it's a space where, you know, we're all in this situation really deeply together. You're almost, you know, almost stuck in a space for 2 weeks, altogether, living together, eating, sleeping, and all that.

And then you have to confront really closely. Other people are being very different from you. And and I think it helps that, yeah, we're all different, and we all can be free to be different from each other. And it's not a big deal. It's actually great.

And you can be a community even if you're different. You don't have to be all the same. And you know sometimes there is this idea that in a group everybody has to be the same, have the same hobbies, the same mentality, the same everything. If you're not the same, then it's not a group of people. But actually, if you're all different, maybe you can also be a group of people. Maybe it's even better. So, yeah. So I think that's for me one one big takeaway that I that I have for me, as well, maybe in general.

And then, yeah, you can do maybe the most random things and people will still accept you. Within, also, I mean, surprisingly even in the city, right, you can do the most weirdest thing and then people will be like, oh, that's fun. I'm gonna join. Like, while we were walking with the rope, people were joining. Like, or like people were saying, like, hey, can I join? What what is this? Like, there was a guy saying "I wanna join. I wanna join. What is this? A cult? I need a guide." He really wanted to join. But you wouldn't expect it because you're like, oh, yeah. I'm doing something weird. People would probably hate me because I'm doing something weird.

If there's anything that someone wants to add after lunch, we will gather here after lunch so that we can decide also what to do, with the presentation and everything. But, you can also write or whatever the form suits you. The drive is also open, so we can also create a sort of shared documents or see.

We don't need to make documents or make stuff for the final presentation. That's it. But, maybe it can be an Instagram, maybe whatever. So, anyway, we don't have to think about what to produce. 

We don't produce. For the presentation? We do things. Yeah. Yeah.

 We can give everybody a rope Yeah. Exactly. We do it as a dream.

Exactly. We don't produce. So this is our performance. Yeah. Exactly.

So let's talk about what we want to do and if to take a rope or not. But we need a bigger rope. A big rope. we can combine all the ropes.

And, I have an announcement to make. If anyone has finished with her period and have has, like, a spare tampons or things, collect them at the in the Italian room because I will need them a lot. Does anyone else have any need that can be fulfilled by your friend?

Sharing is caring. Just one thing: the afterlife of the tunnel, you know, the problem is that, this tunnel is probably becomes a river when, when it rains. So if we leave all the thing clogged at the entrance, it might clog. So we have to think about what to do with this stuff.